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Staff nomination

Succubism on the FTB Forums has created detailed and informative guides on various mods, she is also recommended by various members of the FTB Team. Although she has yet to create an account on the wiki, I believe, judging by her works on the forum, that she would be able to follow the wiki formatting and content guidelines just fine. Her ability to create guides for mods is exceptional and would benefit the wiki greatly, therefore I nominate her to be a Wiki Editor on the FTB Wiki Team. -- Jinbobo 14:27, 12 November 2013 (GMT)

Discussion

Polls

Voting ends in 5 days. Vote ended with 3 support votes, Succubism will join the team.

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  1. Yes check.pngSupport. -- Jinbobo 14:27, 12 November 2013 (GMT)
  2. Yes check.pngSupport. Her guides on the forum are a welcome source of information and always seem to be well researched. If she wants to join, she's welcome. -- MilConDoin (talk) 14:47, 12 November 2013 (GMT)
  3. Yes check.pngSupport. Her guides/cheat sheets for Thaumcraft and the many addons are wonderful. I'd welcome her onto the team -- SatanicSanta Staff · talk ·contribs 15:26, 15 November 2013 (GMT)
  4. Yes check.pngSupport. This vote is purely based on the TC guide on the forums, which is of a very high standard. -- AgentTadpole Staff · talk · contribs 15:28, 15 November 2013 (GMT)

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Staff nomination

TheSatanicSanta (talk · contribs) have proven to be a competent person to be on the wiki team. Although he has made some minor errors when creating articles, he has corrected a good amount of other problems, I find him willing to comply with our requests and therefore nominate him to be a Wiki Editor on the FTB Wiki Team. -- Jinbobo = Wiki Team Lead = 10:57, 11 September 2013 (BST)

Discussion

Polls

Voting ends in 5 days. Voting ended with 3 support votes, TheSatanicSanta will join the team.

Voting Eligibility

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  1. Yes check.pngSupport. -- Jinbobo = Wiki Team Lead = 11:09, 11 September 2013 (BST)
  2. Yes check.pngSupport. I'd welcome you on the team, Santa -- -- AgentTadpole Staff · talk · contribs 14:54, 11 September 2013 (BST)
  3. Yes check.pngSupport. Anyone who can write semi-reasonable IC2/GT articles is fine by my watch. -- Retep998 (talk) 17:35, 11 September 2013 (BST)

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Remove the under construction notice on the main page

No wiki is complete, this message is redundant and in the way.

Polls

Voting ends in 3 days.

The poll concluded with 1 support vote and 1 conditional support, the message will be removed after the old crafting grids are converted to the new crafting grids. -- Jinbobo = Wiki Team Lead = 16:53, 26 August 2013 (BST)

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Support

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  • Yes check.pngSupport. The message is obviously redundant. -- Jinbobo = Wiki Team Lead = 17:04, 23 August 2013 (BST)

Oppose

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  • Yellow check.pngConditional support. Once the crafting grid overhaul is done, and everything converted to the new system, then I'd be fine with removing the construction notice. Retep998 (talk) 17:57, 23 August 2013 (BST)
    • I agree. -- Jinbobo = Wiki Team Lead = 14:30, 24 August 2013 (BST)

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Final stage of the crafting grid overhaul project

Before I begin recreating crafting grids and populating the ore dict, please decide whether you want to use the new system.

Benefits of the new system

  • Ore dictionary
  • Simpler invocation of tanks.
  • Simplified crafting grid template creation.
  • Infinite animation frames.
  • Variables in tooltips.
  • Full implementation of grid functionality.
  • Automatically resolve file names and links of items with mod variants in grids.

Downsides of the new system

  • Slightly more typing when implementing crafting grids in articles.
  • Cannot animate the ore dictionary and normal animations at the same time.

Comparisons

Note that some names of templates are not final and may change in the future.

Grids

Grids are much the same except that animation using a list is no longer supported, Instead you use a wrapper to active the animation.

Code Result
Old
{{Grid|Ice,Dirt,TNT}}
New
{{N|begin}}{{Gc|Ice|mod=V}}{{Gc|Dirt|mod=V}}{{Gc|TNT|mod=V}}{{N|end}}



The grid template now automatically resolves of mod counterparts of items. Observe where the grid links to and what the tooltip displays.

Code Result
Old
{{Grid|Iron Gear (BC)}}
New
{{G|Iron Gear|mod=BuildCraft}}
or
{{GC|Iron Gear|mod=BC}}
Template:GC

Variables are now also supported inside grids and tanks.

Code Result
Cells
{{G|Iron Gear|10|mod=BC|title=$2 $1s from $3.}}

10
Tanks
{{G/T|lava|2500|10000|title=$2 out of $3mB of $1.}}
Liquid Lava.png
GUI tank 120.png

All other old parameters are still supported.

Tanks

Before you have to type out a string of complicated code that I wouldn't even try to type to create a tank, now you only have to type out the type of liquid, the amount of liquid used, and the maximum amount of liquid. Also, in the old template, due to the way the it is implemented, it was impossible to generate a tooltip for tanks, now, a tooltip is generated automatically and does support variables like grids do. Another perk is to not need to capitalize the first letter of the liquid name.

Code Result
Old
asfjhalskufhakjsdhflaksuhefkajshflkuehsdf
asfjhalskufhakjsdhflaksuhefkajshflkuehsdf
New
{{G/T|water|8000|10000}}
Liquid Water.png
GUI tank 120.png

Ore dictionary

An ore dictionary has now been implemented. To call it you use:

{{G|Oak Wood Planks}}{{G|Copper Ore}}

produces:

Note that you call the ore dictionary directly with the normal grid template, set no-oredict to 1 if you do not want to use the ore dictionary:

{{G|Oak Wood Planks|no-oredict=1}}

produces:
You also can call the grid display logic to achieve the same effect.

{{Gc|Oak Wood Planks}}

produces:
You can also call the ore dict by supplying the ore dictionary with a tag name. A wrapper is created to achieve this effect:

{{O|plankWood}}

produces:



















Crafting Grids

Creating crafting grids is now easier than ever. Compare the code of Template:Grid/Carpenter with Template:Cg/Carpenter.

Animation and slides

Animation and slide wrappers are created and can be used in lots of situations. They both cycle through divs and spans.

{{N|begin}}<span>A</span><span>B</span><span>C</span><span>D</span>{{N|end}}

produces:

ABCD
{{N|begin|slide=1}}<span>A</span><span>B</span><span>C</span><span>D</span>{{N|end}}

produces:

Implementation of crafting grids in articles

Crafting grids previously automatically cycle through items, now it does not, instead the user would have to click on buttons to flip through pages. Some stuff you normally will have to type to create tanks can be omitted here since it is included in the crafting grid template.

Code Result
Old
{{Grid/Carpenter
|A1=Ice,Dirt,TNT,Oak Wood Planks|A1A=2,4,8,16
|A2=Grass,Copper Ingot,Iron Gear (BC),Glass|A2A=64,32,16,8
|tank=Water,Honey,Lava,Fuel|mB=2000,6000,1000,9000}}
New
{{Cg/Carpenter
|{{Gc|Ice|mod=V|2}}{{Gc|Dirt|mod=V|4}}{{Gc|TNT|mod=V|8}}{{Gc|Oak Wood Planks|mod=V|16}}
|20={{T|Water|2000}}{{T|Honey|6000}}{{T|Lava|1000}}{{T|Fuel|9000}}
|A2={{Gc|Grass|mod=V|64}}{{Gc|Copper Ingot|mod=F|32}}{{Gc|Iron Gear|16|mod=BC}}{{Gc|Glass|mod=V|8}}}}

Polls

With all that said, please cast your vote below, voting ends in 1 week. Please make sure that you have read what have changed above before casting your vote.

The poll concluded with 10 support votes and 1 neutral votes, the new system shall be implemented and the old system shall be replaced. -- Jinbobo = Wiki Team Lead = 15:37, 13 August 2013 (BST)

Voting Eligibility

Anyone can cast a vote.

Instructions

Find the appropriate section for your vote, read the instructions on the first and second line, then click on the [edit] link beside the section titles. There are four types of votes:

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  • Oppose
  • Conditional support
  • Neutral

Support

  • Cast a vote here if you think that this system should replace the old system. If you want this system to be implemented with conditions, cast your vote in the "Conditional support" section below.
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  • Yes check.pngSupport. I created these flippin' templates, if no one votes, the new system shall take over. Bwahahahahaha. -- Jinbobo SysOp · BotOp · talk · contribs 17:58, 3 August 2013 (BST)
  • Yes check.pngSupport. It seems like a very nice way to make the system more flexible, and more consistent between other templates. It is more complex, I agree, and could look a bit "scary" for some people, but should be better overall, I think. -- Throne3d (talk) 23:17, 3 August 2013 (BST)
  • Yes check.pngSupport. I like it. Looks like it would make things easier on the coders. :) -- Masbk2 (talk) 10:44, 4 August 2013 (BST)
  • Yes check.pngSupport. Vote cast for Jadedcat (talk · contribs). -- Jinbobo Wiki Team Lead 13:14, 4 August 2013 (BST)
  • Yes check.pngSupport. Looks good and seems to work without problems. The extra work is mostly taking the time to adapt to the new methods. -- MilConDoin (talk) 15:08, 4 August 2013 (BST)
  • Yes check.pngSupport. At last, the system I wanted is finally here. Yay! -- Retep998 (talk) 15:17, 5 August 2013 (BST)
  • Yes check.pngSupport. I like it. The slide version would make adding different recipes to single pages very reader friendly. -- Quantumpugilist (talk) 07:59, 6 August 2013 (BST)
  • Yes check.pngSupport. Presumably we can set up a bot to replace all existing crafting tables? It's going to be a hell of a replacement job otherwise -- AgentTadpole Staff · talk · contribs 10:34, 6 August 2013 (BST)
  • Yes check.pngSupport. I'm all for the new system though I also support AgentTadpole's idea of trying to bot the changes for the existing pages. -- Beleriond (talk)
  • Yes check.pngSupport. It is SO amazing and easy to use. |Figgycity |(Talk) 16:10, Thursday 8 August (GMT)

Oppose

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Conditional support

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Neutral

  • Cast a vote here if you think that either system works.
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  • Black check.pngNeutral. Vote cast for Chrissy McCloud (talk · contribs) -- Jinbobo Wiki Team Lead 11:38, 4 August 2013 (BST)

Non-Language Links

The Problem

There are two types of links at the moment;

{{L|Link|o=Overwrite}}

Which links to wiki.feed-the-beast.com/Link*/language* - if you're on a language page, it links to the link, but in said language - , and shows up like Overwrite.

[[Link|Overwrite]]

Which links to wiki.feed-the-beast.com/Link, and shows up like Overwrite.

Why is this a problem?

Old pages still use the (inferior) [[]] system. People who translate such pages, forget to add */language* at the end of the links, and it just makes a giant mess out of translated pages.
Any page with {{L|}} links is translated faster (because links won't need edits other than maybe overwrites).

Solution

Bot-edit all pages with old links.

Notes

  • Bot-editing those pages would mean that all [[category:*category*]] links would become {{L|category:*category*}} links, which would create separated language categories. Might wanna filter those out.

Discussion

  • What are you suggesting? {{L}} on every page? That would be a no. And the notes part, having separate categories for translated articles is intended, but currently using {{L}} to create such links is currently broken, I'll have to fix it later. -- Jinbobo = Wiki Team Lead = 04:04, 10 August 2013 (BST)
    • The categories in {{L|Category:*category*}} are working fine for me, I believe there's no problems in changing all links, really. --Alistaire (talk) 15:39, 10 August 2013 (BST)
    • Training 5 people is easier than training 50 people. If we changed all links to {{L}}, normal editors will start forgetting to add them and will become more of a pain in the ass. If you see a translator not converting links, post a warning linking to the translating guide asking them to do so. -- Jinbobo = Wiki Team Lead = 16:45, 10 August 2013 (BST)

Mod item naming convention

Currently the naming convention are the following:

  • <Item name> [(<Mod abbv: (F|TE|IC2|BC)>)] for files.
  • <Item name> [(<Full mod name>)] for articles.

Problem

The current problem with this setup is that in some situation that items from different mods act differently, items in crafting grids will point to the article with the exact same name. For example: A grid icon will point to: Tin Gear (TE), but that actual Tin Gear articles is at Tin Gear (Thermal Expansion). An additional redirect must be created in order reach the correct article.

Solution A (AgentTadpole)

Unify the naming and use the file naming convention on articles.

<Please insert reason here>

Solution B (Jinbobo)

Unify the naming and use the article naming convention on files.

Titles should be descriptive, if there articles for forestry, buildcraft and thermal expansion and a user searches for the item. All three article will show up in the result, considering these differences aren't significant enough to have disambiguation pages created, if the article title has the full mod name instead of a abbreviation in it, it would be easier to identify and navigate to the article the user is looking for.

Solution C

Use the current conventions and create redirects from to the correct articles.

Poll

Explanation
  • Anyone with the edit right can vote once.
  • This poll will end in three days.
  • Add {{Status}} and a comment and your signature if you support solution A by AgentTadpole.
  • Add {{Status}} and a comment and your signature if you support solution B by Jinbobo.
  • Add {{Status}} and a comment and your signature if you support solution C.
  • Add {{Status}} and a comment and your signature if you support a solution under a certain circumstance.
  • Add {{Status}} and a comment and your signature if you would like the current convention to not be changed.
Example
* {{Status|notdone|Against}} blah blah blah -- ~~~~
Vote here

Consensus Achieved

Retain the current convention and use Solution C.

Other discussions

  • I want to start translating into czech but there is no project for it,can somebody create it please ?-kiblik1
    • You can start translating directly by using the cezch language code (cs). -- Jinbobo SysOp · BotOp · talk · contribs 08:19, 15 July 2013 (BST)
  • Can a template be created for the mystcraft navbox to put on the item pages. The current navbox is found on the Mystcraft mod homepage or should it just be copied on each page. -Madmanmayson